Gandhi's famous first campaign in South Africa resulted from the asinine idea of the authorities to only recognize Anglican ministered marriages, effectively declaring any other invalid and the children thereof as illegitimate. Muslims in particular were not happy.
Reminds me of US religious Right's ideas to make church attendance and religious education in their narrow interpretation of Christianity mandatory for everyone, in particular non-Christians while claiming that no one's freedom was infringed by that since everyone was free to leave the country.
Or the idea of Austrian ethno-nationalists to require yearly public consumption of national dishes (that by pure chance included pork).
Not in front of the emperor's statue though, afaik.
For some "cultures", meddling in and infringing on other cultures is a core tenet.
Btw, the traditional pork ban in Judaism and Islam was simply common sense, as were several other food-related taboos
Until the Council of Trent cohabitation did a legal marriage make (marriage by consent). Even the private consent (He: "you are my wife" She: "Yes"), the matrimonium clandestinum, was valid as far as the Church was concerned. The Council changed that and required the priest and the witnesses. Protestants did not follow necessarily (Luther thought the fathers had veto power). State and Church depending on location insist to this day on either mutual non-recognition or one requires one to precede the other. And let's not even go to what is or was considered a divorce even limited to European cultures.
That's clearly the fault of the Green New Deal, and the algae came in via Mexico as a result of the open border policy of the previous Dem administrations. Those effing paddies are likely in on it too given their fondness of Green. And where are they famously? In the FBI. So, Patel still hasn't got those Deep Staters under control..
Don't forget the 'Kill the gays' law in Uganda that got passed mainly through the lobbying efforts of US Kristian(TM) fundamentalists. In its original form it made it a crime punished by imprisonment for life to not inform on gays. In short: If you SUSPECT that a person is gay and NOT inform the authorities, so that person can be arrested and executed, YOU could end up in jail for life. An international outcry forced the state to temporarily withdraw the law but iirc a 'milder' form has since been passed which dropped the informer clause and only has the death penalty for "aggravated" homosexuality. The US fundies were NOT happy about this partial back-paddling or so I hear. They are open about their goal to use 3rd world countries as test cases until they can get the same passed in the US. It's this kind of people that makes nonbelievers wish for the reality of hell in order for a just deity to throw its self-appointed spokespersons and executioners into. As much as there is to criticize in St.Paul, he was clearly aware of this kind of people and warned against them in no uncertain terms.
Greece and Rome are a complex case. Homosexual acts were tolerated under strict conditions (interestingly the same as in pagan Scandinavia). Homosexuality was not seen as a thing per se. A man would have sex with women for offspring (an obligation for the benefit of society) but could have sex with inferior men (slaves, minors) for pleasure. Emperor Claudius was seen as quite odd for having only heterosexual sex (maybe even only with his wife). Aristotle and some other philosophers considered physical relationships between men as superior and it was part of the upbringing of upper class teens. They would get into a relationship with a mentor figure but the physical part would stop once the boy came of age. Free men that had sex exclusively with other men, in particular with free men that were not minors, were seen as dangeous perverts who did not fulfill their obligations to society. To play the 'female' part in a homosexual sex act as a gown-up free man made one infamous (which was a legal category that included actors, gladiators, prostitutes etc.) or even a criminal. In the extreme case of Hostius Quadra (as quoted by Seneca) this even led to the only recorded case in Roman legal history where slaves were judged justified in murdering their master.
Sex was (even legally) about dominance, and homosexual acts were displays of dominance and submission that had to run along the lines of societal norms.
Achilles and Patroklos* are often interpreted as a gay couple but both had also sexual relationships with women (Agamemnon taking Achilles' sex slave Briseis away is the basis of the whole plot of the Iliad), so they fitted within societal norms. Their (implied to be also carnal) relationship was seen as superior since they were both high ranking males and the sex was only the supreme expression of their friendship. Had they both rejected women, they would have been condemned as unnatural (and in the mythos they would have Aphrodite going after them wrathfully as after Hippolytos).
*The Biblical case of David and Jonathan is also discussed in that way
In Germany after WW1 a trillion would not have bought you a loaf of bread. People went to the shops with wheelbarrows full of money and then had to trade in the wheelbarrow because it was not enough. In 1924 there were 100-trillion Reichsmark single banknotes.
Even His Orangeness with his economical incompetence will not get the muskrat that high.
All the cringe horses and more cringey men
won't shed insanity ever again
These Hercules furentes will either not come to their senses, will claim the reality to be insane (in brief moments of clarity) and claim insanity in court (either their own to get away or the court's, if that should fail).
Expect lots of blood shed in any case.
Do we have to interpret Hegseth's (official and prepared) D-Day comments as him being of the opinion that the Nazis were actually the good guys defending Europe against a foreign invasion of 'dangerous ideologies' - and failing - and that now Europe is in danger of failing again in the same task? Or does he confuse on which side of D-Day the brown hordes were? (I would not be surprised, if his purge of the archives of any mention of non-whites included the Blacks that were used as cannon fodder there).
Those countries probably do not have a postmaster general who gives strong hints that he would meddle with those ballots, if he thought that he can get away with it.
Not if the international tariff agency invests in a fleet of tax class attack submarines armed with less-than-lethal torpedoes (disabling just the propulsion system of blockade runners).
Air transport traffic blockades could be more difficult, if no killing is intended, but shipping would be the bulk anyway.
Maybe we should require all partisans to carry a partisan as a marker.
OK, a ten foot polearm is a bit inconvenient, in particular inside buildings (how to get that into an elevator?), but still more so than a live polecat (those include skunks). But they are vying for pole position, so...
Very useful to point out the flaws of the opponents btw.
In German libertarian is usually translated as (wirtschafts-)liberal, the term 'libertär' exists but is not in common use. The FDP (Free Democratic Party) has always oscillated between both positions (known as sozialliberal and wirtschaftsliberal). Its seemingly permanent switch to the latter ('Party of the Well-to-do') played a major part in its decline and the Green Party has essentially taken over as the dominant socially liberal party*. One reason is the death of the old guard that maintained the liberal values and defended them against the libertarian wing that also began to show sympathies towards the nominal Austrian equivalent which drifted more and more to the Far Right. In Germany that role has been taken over by the AfD. The FDP is currently on life support an no improvement is in sight.
*Like many others I changed my allegiance from yellow-and-blue (FDP) to Green as a result.
It does not have to be a long term solution. How long does it take to starve a modern large city (in particular, if water supplies can be cut off too) and how long in comparison can the surrounding rural area keep up the siege? This would not be a siege of Leningrad, I presume.
Cutting off the food supply of cities would be more effective for the rural rebels than going in and trying to conquer by street fighting. Depending on location spoiling the water supply would be even more effective.
In the late Weimar Republic nazis and communists on occasion joined forces to beat up social democrats. Co-authoritarians against moderate democrats - their one and true enemy.
Not to forget the good relationship of the current Israeli government with the right-wing governments* of Poland and Hungary despite their barely veiled antisemitism. Not to speak of the US millenarist Kristians(TM) who see Bibi&Accomplices as the useful idiots to trigger Armageddon (where Christ will kill the Jews first) while BIbi&Co see them as the same (not believing in that apocalyptic claptrap).
*for the moment ex- but with good chances to return to power in the not too distant future
[sarcasm]Worked quite well for half a century in half (OK, about a third) the country. The transition by a wee world war may have been a bit more costly than expected but a few sacrifices are fully justified by the end.[/sarcasm]
As for the US: The Right never forgave FDR for preventing Murica joining the fashionable fascist club. Now as a renaissance looms they see their second chance. Their own 1923 Munich may have failed on Jan the 6th but a failed dress rehearsal is a traditional good omen for the premiere and they hope to get their glorious 1933 less than a decade later (with SCOTUS pre-approving Nuremberg-1935-light for the coming elections).
Also meanwhile, The Virginia Supreme Court has struck down and nullified the redistricting vote on technical grounds (proper procedures not fully followed, the voters got their say to early) after a lower court had already stopped the new maps going into effect with the argument that the campaign was 'deceptive' (they were explicitly NOT referring to the tsunami of fake news, deceptive mailers, and public lies by GOPsters from in and out of state but to the Virginia state government).
There is not enough time to redo it, so the old maps will have to do.
Unless of course the GOP gets the idea that they can get SCOTUS to declare the current maps too n-word friendly and the abominable six will oblige rapidly via shadow docket). If the Virginia government tries to go the same way, we can expect that parcel of rogues in robes to slow-walk it, naturally.
Can't they put some nuclear powered warships on wheels (or tracks), drive them into the areas in need and use their reactors for that?
And maybe the drought can just be nuked like a hurricane?
And don't tell me one cannot put warships on tracks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeteufel
Over here the announced heavy rain was also just a bit of drizzle in the morning. Adenauer seems to become finally correct that beyond the river Elbe the steppes of Asia begin. Brandenburg is steppifying alarmingly.
Googling it, I find this word exists in the UK cycling community implying ill-planning, impracticality and self-defeating concerning infrastructure.
So, perfectly fitting, although nothing's rolling except the ruble.
There also is a threadbare excuse to earmark 1 billion $$$ for His Orangeness' ballroom. It's explicitly only for the 'security features' and can't be used for anything else. Of course His Orangeness' permanent mental state of insecurity will allow to use the money for the luxury parts too. Why should the bunker below lack all the tasteless accoutrement of the farcility* above.
I see an open threat concerning the next elections.
But will the latest SCOTUS ruling be enough to satisfy the Right?
Will they - successfully - demand that the abominable 6 (or maybe just 5 this time) declare minority majority districts to be per se unconstitutional? With a loophole of course that Latinos outside Florida cannot play that game. That should be easy though since minority will defined not on state but national level. And before whites become a national minority, this whole free election nonsense will be safely in the past anyway.
Well, wj, those were of course the Democrats (while the Republicans were still the malodorous n-word loving carpetbagging s--m of the Earth but we do not talk about that because that would spoil everything). ;-)
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On “Monkey business”
Gandhi's famous first campaign in South Africa resulted from the asinine idea of the authorities to only recognize Anglican ministered marriages, effectively declaring any other invalid and the children thereof as illegitimate. Muslims in particular were not happy.
Reminds me of US religious Right's ideas to make church attendance and religious education in their narrow interpretation of Christianity mandatory for everyone, in particular non-Christians while claiming that no one's freedom was infringed by that since everyone was free to leave the country.
Or the idea of Austrian ethno-nationalists to require yearly public consumption of national dishes (that by pure chance included pork).
Not in front of the emperor's statue though, afaik.
For some "cultures", meddling in and infringing on other cultures is a core tenet.
Btw, the traditional pork ban in Judaism and Islam was simply common sense, as were several other food-related taboos
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Until the Council of Trent cohabitation did a legal marriage make (marriage by consent). Even the private consent (He: "you are my wife" She: "Yes"), the matrimonium clandestinum, was valid as far as the Church was concerned. The Council changed that and required the priest and the witnesses. Protestants did not follow necessarily (Luther thought the fathers had veto power). State and Church depending on location insist to this day on either mutual non-recognition or one requires one to precede the other. And let's not even go to what is or was considered a divorce even limited to European cultures.
On “Open Thread”
That's clearly the fault of the Green New Deal, and the algae came in via Mexico as a result of the open border policy of the previous Dem administrations. Those effing paddies are likely in on it too given their fondness of Green. And where are they famously? In the FBI. So, Patel still hasn't got those Deep Staters under control..
On “A future so bright”
Don't forget the 'Kill the gays' law in Uganda that got passed mainly through the lobbying efforts of US Kristian(TM) fundamentalists. In its original form it made it a crime punished by imprisonment for life to not inform on gays. In short: If you SUSPECT that a person is gay and NOT inform the authorities, so that person can be arrested and executed, YOU could end up in jail for life. An international outcry forced the state to temporarily withdraw the law but iirc a 'milder' form has since been passed which dropped the informer clause and only has the death penalty for "aggravated" homosexuality. The US fundies were NOT happy about this partial back-paddling or so I hear. They are open about their goal to use 3rd world countries as test cases until they can get the same passed in the US. It's this kind of people that makes nonbelievers wish for the reality of hell in order for a just deity to throw its self-appointed spokespersons and executioners into. As much as there is to criticize in St.Paul, he was clearly aware of this kind of people and warned against them in no uncertain terms.
"
Greece and Rome are a complex case. Homosexual acts were tolerated under strict conditions (interestingly the same as in pagan Scandinavia). Homosexuality was not seen as a thing per se. A man would have sex with women for offspring (an obligation for the benefit of society) but could have sex with inferior men (slaves, minors) for pleasure. Emperor Claudius was seen as quite odd for having only heterosexual sex (maybe even only with his wife). Aristotle and some other philosophers considered physical relationships between men as superior and it was part of the upbringing of upper class teens. They would get into a relationship with a mentor figure but the physical part would stop once the boy came of age. Free men that had sex exclusively with other men, in particular with free men that were not minors, were seen as dangeous perverts who did not fulfill their obligations to society. To play the 'female' part in a homosexual sex act as a gown-up free man made one infamous (which was a legal category that included actors, gladiators, prostitutes etc.) or even a criminal. In the extreme case of Hostius Quadra (as quoted by Seneca) this even led to the only recorded case in Roman legal history where slaves were judged justified in murdering their master.
Sex was (even legally) about dominance, and homosexual acts were displays of dominance and submission that had to run along the lines of societal norms.
Achilles and Patroklos* are often interpreted as a gay couple but both had also sexual relationships with women (Agamemnon taking Achilles' sex slave Briseis away is the basis of the whole plot of the Iliad), so they fitted within societal norms. Their (implied to be also carnal) relationship was seen as superior since they were both high ranking males and the sex was only the supreme expression of their friendship. Had they both rejected women, they would have been condemned as unnatural (and in the mythos they would have Aphrodite going after them wrathfully as after Hippolytos).
*The Biblical case of David and Jonathan is also discussed in that way
On “Open Thread”
In Germany after WW1 a trillion would not have bought you a loaf of bread. People went to the shops with wheelbarrows full of money and then had to trade in the wheelbarrow because it was not enough. In 1924 there were 100-trillion Reichsmark single banknotes.
Even His Orangeness with his economical incompetence will not get the muskrat that high.
"
All the cringe horses and more cringey men
won't shed insanity ever again
These Hercules furentes will either not come to their senses, will claim the reality to be insane (in brief moments of clarity) and claim insanity in court (either their own to get away or the court's, if that should fail).
Expect lots of blood shed in any case.
"
Do we have to interpret Hegseth's (official and prepared) D-Day comments as him being of the opinion that the Nazis were actually the good guys defending Europe against a foreign invasion of 'dangerous ideologies' - and failing - and that now Europe is in danger of failing again in the same task? Or does he confuse on which side of D-Day the brown hordes were? (I would not be surprised, if his purge of the archives of any mention of non-whites included the Blacks that were used as cannon fodder there).
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Was it Florida that made (or at least tried) even offering of water illegal at polling places?
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Those countries probably do not have a postmaster general who gives strong hints that he would meddle with those ballots, if he thought that he can get away with it.
On “What’s wrong with liberalism?”
Not if the international tariff agency invests in a fleet of tax class attack submarines armed with less-than-lethal torpedoes (disabling just the propulsion system of blockade runners).
Air transport traffic blockades could be more difficult, if no killing is intended, but shipping would be the bulk anyway.
On “Open Thread time”
Well, HE IS very transparent except to those willfully blind.
On “What’s wrong with liberalism?”
Maybe we should require all partisans to carry a partisan as a marker.
OK, a ten foot polearm is a bit inconvenient, in particular inside buildings (how to get that into an elevator?), but still more so than a live polecat (those include skunks). But they are vying for pole position, so...
Very useful to point out the flaws of the opponents btw.
"
In German libertarian is usually translated as (wirtschafts-)liberal, the term 'libertär' exists but is not in common use. The FDP (Free Democratic Party) has always oscillated between both positions (known as sozialliberal and wirtschaftsliberal). Its seemingly permanent switch to the latter ('Party of the Well-to-do') played a major part in its decline and the Green Party has essentially taken over as the dominant socially liberal party*. One reason is the death of the old guard that maintained the liberal values and defended them against the libertarian wing that also began to show sympathies towards the nominal Austrian equivalent which drifted more and more to the Far Right. In Germany that role has been taken over by the AfD. The FDP is currently on life support an no improvement is in sight.
*Like many others I changed my allegiance from yellow-and-blue (FDP) to Green as a result.
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I’m a conservative.
I think we have come to the conclusion long ago that you do not really fit that term anymore ;-)
On “Open Thread time”
It does not have to be a long term solution. How long does it take to starve a modern large city (in particular, if water supplies can be cut off too) and how long in comparison can the surrounding rural area keep up the siege? This would not be a siege of Leningrad, I presume.
"
Cutting off the food supply of cities would be more effective for the rural rebels than going in and trying to conquer by street fighting. Depending on location spoiling the water supply would be even more effective.
"
In the late Weimar Republic nazis and communists on occasion joined forces to beat up social democrats. Co-authoritarians against moderate democrats - their one and true enemy.
Not to forget the good relationship of the current Israeli government with the right-wing governments* of Poland and Hungary despite their barely veiled antisemitism. Not to speak of the US millenarist Kristians(TM) who see Bibi&Accomplices as the useful idiots to trigger Armageddon (where Christ will kill the Jews first) while BIbi&Co see them as the same (not believing in that apocalyptic claptrap).
*for the moment ex- but with good chances to return to power in the not too distant future
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Didn’t work out to well for them.
[sarcasm]Worked quite well for half a century in half (OK, about a third) the country. The transition by a wee world war may have been a bit more costly than expected but a few sacrifices are fully justified by the end.[/sarcasm]
As for the US: The Right never forgave FDR for preventing Murica joining the fashionable fascist club. Now as a renaissance looms they see their second chance. Their own 1923 Munich may have failed on Jan the 6th but a failed dress rehearsal is a traditional good omen for the premiere and they hope to get their glorious 1933 less than a decade later (with SCOTUS pre-approving Nuremberg-1935-light for the coming elections).
"
Also meanwhile, The Virginia Supreme Court has struck down and nullified the redistricting vote on technical grounds (proper procedures not fully followed, the voters got their say to early) after a lower court had already stopped the new maps going into effect with the argument that the campaign was 'deceptive' (they were explicitly NOT referring to the tsunami of fake news, deceptive mailers, and public lies by GOPsters from in and out of state but to the Virginia state government).
There is not enough time to redo it, so the old maps will have to do.
Unless of course the GOP gets the idea that they can get SCOTUS to declare the current maps too n-word friendly and the abominable six will oblige rapidly via shadow docket). If the Virginia government tries to go the same way, we can expect that parcel of rogues in robes to slow-walk it, naturally.
"
Can't they put some nuclear powered warships on wheels (or tracks), drive them into the areas in need and use their reactors for that?
And maybe the drought can just be nuked like a hurricane?
And don't tell me one cannot put warships on tracks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeteufel
Over here the announced heavy rain was also just a bit of drizzle in the morning. Adenauer seems to become finally correct that beyond the river Elbe the steppes of Asia begin. Brandenburg is steppifying alarmingly.
"
*I just made up this word and it’s mine!
Googling it, I find this word exists in the UK cycling community implying ill-planning, impracticality and self-defeating concerning infrastructure.
So, perfectly fitting, although nothing's rolling except the ruble.
"
There also is a threadbare excuse to earmark 1 billion $$$ for His Orangeness' ballroom. It's explicitly only for the 'security features' and can't be used for anything else. Of course His Orangeness' permanent mental state of insecurity will allow to use the money for the luxury parts too. Why should the bunker below lack all the tasteless accoutrement of the farcility* above.
*I just made up this word and it's mine!
"
I see an open threat concerning the next elections.
But will the latest SCOTUS ruling be enough to satisfy the Right?
Will they - successfully - demand that the abominable 6 (or maybe just 5 this time) declare minority majority districts to be per se unconstitutional? With a loophole of course that Latinos outside Florida cannot play that game. That should be easy though since minority will defined not on state but national level. And before whites become a national minority, this whole free election nonsense will be safely in the past anyway.
On “It’s funny what gets left out”
Well, wj, those were of course the Democrats (while the Republicans were still the malodorous n-word loving carpetbagging s--m of the Earth but we do not talk about that because that would spoil everything). ;-)
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