by liberal japonicus
I’d start off by noting that depending on the way you read the title, you can fit any perspective.
The jumping off point for this is Ezra Klein’s podcast with Helena Rosenblatt, the author of The Lost History of Liberalism. (transcript here)The book is quite interesting and is a general audience book drawn from her academic works, including Thinking with Rousseau : From Machiavelli to Schmitt (co-authored with Paul Schweigert), Rousseau and Geneva: From the First Discourse to The Social Contract and Liberal Values: Benjamin Constant and the Politics of Religion. She helps redirect the discussion of liberalism from an Anglocentric view to one related more to Europe. This New York Review of Books piece by David Bell is nice if you don’t have time to read the original, in that he juxtaposes 3 books which echo the same theme. (And I’m finding this site to be helpful getting around paywalls)
So I’m all in, I’m a Europhile and get a bit sick of the Anglo-American centric nature of a lot of political discussion (on one podcast, someone observed how US conservatives go to Europe and marvel at the infrastructure and order and wonder why this sort of order doesn’t happen in the states, oblivious to the fact that the people actually pay for that shit in the form of taxes)
And I’ll try to not make this bash Ezra episode #infinity, but reading Rosenblatt, it’s pretty clear that she is a historian, but towards the end, Klein directly challenges the moral track record of liberalism and suggests that its core philosophy has been deeply intertwined with some of society’s historic and modern problems.
That’s a very glittering answer, but I think a critic of liberalism would say: What good is your liberalism if it can include slavery in its founding constitution? Or in the European case: What good is your liberalism if it is so interwoven with colonialism? There were many people who certainly believed in many liberal ideas we’re talking about here, who made space for both of those practices within their liberalism.
How typical of Klein to haul a historian on to his podcast and have her answer for the things she is trying to describe. ‘In your book about Genghis Khan, why didn’t you denounce him more strongly? Don’t you think he was evil incarnate?’ Christ on a crutch.
In another section, Klein opines:
Another crisis is that individualism has gone very far. And I think the internet and social media and algorithmic media and the fracturing of what we know — and our bonds from each other — and the weakening of civic institutions and religions and labor unions… There is a crisis of individualism that has become, partially, a crisis of meaning. … [Liberalism] also has left it with very little language in which to talk about something that is not just individualism.
Yes, liberalism, totally separate from our capitalist culture and consumerism, neoliberalism and commodification, is all to blame. If liberalism were all that people said it was, why does it let that shit happen?
Rosenblatt doesn’t seem to be prepared for this, but my answer would be that liberalism, like the scientific method, has built in to it a mechanism to question itself. Liberalism arose in a time of slavery and colonialism, patriarchalism and nationalism, yet it has provided. and continues to provide us with the tools to attack those problems. Like the scientific method, the people who are against it simply ape it (yes, I did my own research) to try and generate a conclusion that satisfies their own prejudices.
Steel man that, Klein.
Folks are tossing out names and I’ve got no idea who they are. I was vaguely aware of Platner, and I guessed that Becerra was a CA gov candidate, but I gave the Ezra the aspiring powerbroker Klein’s CA gov roundtable a miss. As I think people in Oz say, I can’t be arsed to figure out who is who.
Which leads to a bit of a bleg, Anyone like to post something about political races? Priest did mention Chris Harden,
https://www.chrishardenforcongress.com/
but if anyone would like to toss up something, even if it was just names to watch, I’d appreciate it. Kitty’s address is libjpn at “Don’t Be Evil” Corporation, if you send something, I can put it up, if you want to post it yourself, happy to work it out.
There is no party at this point that really reflects my own values.
i’ve always thought that this has to be true of everyone, always. the only party that could reflect all of a person’s values is a party with one member: that single person. because life is negotiations. even with the person closest to you, there are times when you have to work out a compromise.
and a political party, with tens of millions of ‘members’, can only point in the direction of the average opinion. it will never be perfect on any issue, for anyone. and when you add the fact that there are entire other parties who want completely different things, it’s a miracle anything gets done at all.
that’s why i feel fine supporting the Dems; i don’t expect them to exactly match my preferences on anything, i just expect us to point in the same general direction on most things. and i don’t think there’s any other party that will fit me any better which has any chance at all of getting anything done.
I think the question is whether you can imagine a political party, be it an existing party that changes its platform or a new party, that largely reflects your views and is, at least in theory, viable from the standpoint of prevailing public opinion.
Are there enough people who agree with you on enough things to provide sufficient support for a political party that reflects your views and values to a sufficient (for you) degree?
I don’t know the answer, but I don’t think the question is one about a party that’s your perfect match.