by liberal japonicus
Orange shitstain and his cankles are at the Supreme court. The guardian live is here. Feel free to post those innumerably accounts of birth tourists, I’m sure that grok can spin them up.
"This is the Voice of Moderation. I wouldn't go so far as to say we've actually SEIZED the radio station . . . "
The only qualification in the 14th is “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” So what US laws are the children of illegal immigrants immune to?
We’re not talking about something along the lines of diplomats with immunity or occupying forces subject to their home country’s jurisdiction while in occupied territory.
I’m no lawyer, but it strikes me as plainly stupid.
From what I’m reading, the Solicitor General, presenting Trump’s position, is doing an even worse job than his usual level of massive incompetence. To the point that even the political hacks that Trump appointed seem skeptical in the extreme.
Feel free to post those innumerably accounts of birth tourists, I’m sure that grok can spin them up.
“Overall, birth tourism has remained a niche activity—far smaller than births to U.S.-resident immigrant mothers (legal or otherwise), which number in the high hundreds of thousands annually. It is concentrated in a few areas (e.g., Southern California, South Florida, and border regions) and has faced bipartisan criticism over perceived abuse of birthright citizenship and national-security concerns. Exact year-by-year trends beyond the proxies above are not publicly available from official sources, as the phenomenon is inherently hard to quantify without intent-based tracking. Policy efforts since 2020 have aimed to deter it through visa screening rather than changing the underlying constitutional rule.”
Birth Tourism in the US: Trends and Estimates
Under His Orangeness everyone is under the executive not the judicial branch, and to the former laws do not apply anymore. If no one has a judicial recourse anymore, then no one is under the jurisdiction and thus not protected by the 14th. Which is exactly what His Orangeness claims. And what he claims as his authority can – as per SCOTUS – not be questioned without successful impeachment and removal from office.
So, it all makes logical sense in the current political landscape.
Don’t put anything past the current MAGAt-infested SCOTUS. Not stupidity, certainly not arrogance, and absolutely not hypocrisy. They are perfectly capable of ruling that you have to be born on US soil of MAGAt parents in order to qualify for automatic citizenship. Also that the Earth is flat and water runs uphill if The Boss says so. I’d love to be wrong about that, but we shall see.
–TP
Another non-American swearing allegiance to some foreign power.
I read once that newborns don’t even know what country they’re in. Next time I see one I’ll have to ask.
I haven’t seen a breakdown of the argument for the EO on birthright citizenship, but if past efforts are any guide it is that as the parents are “illegal” they are not “subject to the jursidiction thereof” and neither is the child, Q.E.D. The one I did hear is that the 14th amendment was limited to slaves, despite not mentioning that. The really good part is that it is not retroactive to the date of the EO because shut up. The challenge for Roberts is to craft an opinion that somehow limits the scope of the EO but upholds the concept, ideally with some pointers for the administration to try next time.
Apparently, Trump’s lawyer, when asked about Native Americans, responded that he wasn’t sure if they had birthright citizenship or not. Stunning on two counts: 1. He went to the SC to make a case without being able to answer a major question about the case. 2. He can even think of it as a question. Seriously. A question about the citizenship of people who have ancestors who came here around 20,000 years ago?
Meanwhile I see Breaking News headlines that Pam Bondi just got fired.
Speculation on my side: Did she show microscopic but dangerous signs of competence or – worse – conscience? Did she serve as drop ballast from the sinking Orange Balloon? Did she got blamed for the disastrous performance at SCOTUS that made POTUS leave early during a break. Is she a statement of “we do not just fire military black women but also civilian white ones”?
I think Bondi’s days were numbered after her ridiculous performance at the hearings. She embarrassed the Trump admin by making it obvious that the Trump admin was hiding Epstein documents. Transferring her over to the dumping grounds with Neom is IMO a move designed to make it look like everyone else in the Trump admin wants transparency–which, of course, they don’t. So the next appointee will obstruct. Also, with her gone, I’m not sure what happens to the subpoena.
Trump and his fellow Sand Creek massacre adjudants mockingly call every prominent Native American who visits the White House “Chief”. He calls various females “Pocahontas”. He yells “GERONIMO!” everytime he takes a dump and just before he masticates paper records of OUR business and spits them in the toilet for the second flush.
He fired another of his squaws … Pam Bondi … who is going to go through some things once the Civil War gets fully underway. One wonders, given his record, whether he might have raped her too, or at least given her a final reach-around grab as the door hit her in her Mar-a-Lago botoxed glutes.
One of his genocidal heroes is Andrew Jackson, who regrets not living much longer so that he could make Haitians, Somalis, Hispanics, and all manner of the Other as miserable today as he made the Cherokee, Creek (Muscogee), Choctaw, Chickasaw, and Seminole.
Chief (because he WAS a Chief) Old Lodge Skins in “Little Big Man” said the Cheyenne viewed themselves as living, spiritual people, while defining white settlers as dead or un-spiritual beings. He explained the distinction, emphasizing that human beings believe all things—including nature—are alive.
I give Trump credit though for scalping HIMSELF in the hair catastrophe years ago.
But, like General Custer, he can’t stop looking in the mirrow at his damaged dead big beautiful sexy self.
I don’t think that’s quite it.
I think she got fired for failing to keep the Epstein files hidden. If she had kept them hidden, the fact that it was obvious she was doing so might even have been a plus — another demonstration that he is powerful enough to do anything he wants. But releasing them was unacceptable.
In short, she got fired for incompetence. Which is ironic, in an administration rife with incompetents.
Embarrassment, shame, regret, empathy, apologetics, love, beauty, honor, trust, quietude, poetry, metaphor, subtlety, and manners are not available to these inhumane, not human freaks.
All of those human qualities are just so much wokeness to these lout aliens.
They are lurching vengeful ruthless meat sacks, the men, the women, and someone, not their hateful Christian god, please, the children they are perverting, all wearing victim lipstick and fascist motley to avenge the great betrayal in their puny ignorant inaginations, which is precisely what motivated Hitler and every other mass murderer in the vast history of mankind, including Christendom, all now white and sane washed.
Their algorithms, robot armies, and artificially stupid technology, thoroughly unregulated, will be as far from human as they are, and then some, and with superb ruthless efficiency will enslave and kill us.
Unless we become worse than they are and kill them.
American history is annotated with instances of decent human beings becoming fucking ruthless killers to defeat subhuman Evil and then relaxing for a time back to our better natures.
That time is here again.
I think she got fired for failing to keep the Epstein files hidden. If she had kept them hidden,
That too, of course! And you are right; Trump and his inner circle aren’t capable of shame.
They can be humiliated, though. And both Bondi and Neom left their respective hearings in tatters, having been thoroughly exposed. Yes, they stuck their chins in the air and took no responsibility or signaled no remorse–but it was obvious in both cases that they were rattled to the core, basically run off with tar and feathers. As soon as she got out of the room, Neom started screaming at her entourage so loudly it was audible on videos of the hearings. And she got caught giving money in an obvious scam–which she claimed had been okay’d by Trump! Both women let Trump down publicly.
I think that Trump does want to sideline people who get caught publicly doing things that reflect badly on him if there’s enough jeering and laughing at him involved.
Bible Barbie might be next. Trump makes sinister threat over Karoline Leavitt’s job after blaming her for bad press