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Plus ça change…
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The comments...

wj
+ I can't wait for the ocean to swallow Mar-A-Lago like a bad case of reflux. Personally, I'd like to see the site become a sewage [. . .]
nous
+ Meanwhile, in "stuff that pisses off nous": https://www.propublica.org/article/newtok-alaska-climate-relocation Federal auditors have warned for years that climate relocation projects need a lead agency to coordinate assistance and reduce [. . .]
russell
+ I am taking a break from this site. We all need a break now and then. Just chiming in to say it'd be our loss if you [. . .]
nous
+ Well, I'm up to just under 1500 miles on the electric mountain bike. No problems with it so far (Trek Fuel EXe), and just about [. . .]
liberal japonicus
+ FWIW, Donald, I didn't take lj's initial commentary as being aimed at you in particular, but rather being more meta-commentary about the current media environment. Yes, [. . .]
GftNC

Sorry, that first sentence is a quote from nous, and should have been in italics.

GftNC
+ I think you are quite well informed, Donald, and trust your information. I do too, and I notice that when you are not particularly knowledgeable about [. . .]
wj
+ there are simply no "good" Republicans today, and they need to be politically neutralized root and branch, even the one's who wj avers are "good [. . .]
nous
+ I've been thinking about inequality and authoritarian voting and pondering what research has been done to measure this effect. I'm linking to this op ed [. . .]
bobbyp
+ I suspect that the question is just how bad it will get, and how long it will take us to repair the damage. The task now [. . .]
nous
+ FWIW, Donald, I didn't take lj's initial commentary as being aimed at you in particular, but rather being more meta-commentary about the current media environment. I [. . .]
wj
+ But we're still a prosperous country. People aren't pushing wheelbarrows full of cash to the grocery store because of hyperinflation. Unemployment remains low. We're still [. . .]
Donald
+ Okay, LJ, you are right, I am a moron easily misled by internet grifters like Welsh, stirring me up over issues I know nothing about, and [. . .]
hairshirthedonist

I had a feeling that was going to happen. "No root for comment."

hairshirthedonist
+ We're building gulags and far too many people think it's just great because immigrants are ruining the country. But we're still a prosperous country. [. . .]
hairshirthedonist
+ We're building gulags and far too many people think it's just great because immigrants are ruining the country. But we're still a prosperous country. [. . .]
nous
+ I imagine that just how bad it will get depends a lot on how bad the effects of climate change become, but that's not a [. . .]
wj
+ I sincerely appreciate, as always, your unflagging optimism, wj I truly wish I was optimistic at this point. But, while I have hopes, I don't [. . .]
russell
+ I think we actually do have a common culture. I sincerely appreciate, as always, your unflagging optimism, wj. I think we have have some language - [. . .]
wj
+ The US doesn't really have a single, common, consensus culture or history. New Englanders are not the same as folks in the Pacific Northwest, or [. . .]
liberal japonicus
+ Btw, I just looked and Welsh’s most recent posts are about Trump’s crazed tariff policies towards Brazil and the other one is about Epstein. Neither [. . .]
russell
+ To put something of a point on my previous: What I'm feeling lately is just a kind of crushing disappointment in my own country. It's [. . .]
russell
+ Several years ago, the first time I said that I expected a peaceful partition of the US, the idea was ridiculed and people piled on. [. . .]
Donald
+ Btw, I just looked and Welsh’s most recent posts are about Trump’s crazed tariff policies towards Brazil and the other one is about Epstein. [. . .]
Donald
+ Btw, I just looked and Welsh’s most recent posts are about Trump’s crazed tariff policies towards Brazil and the other one is about Epstein. [. . .]
Donald
+ “ kind of feel that the attitude that Welsh puts out is the same attitude that has someone like a Robert Kennedy or a Tulsi [. . .]
nous
+ Granted, I said the cause would be dealing with climate change -- which I still say -- and the people today are talking fighting between [. . .]
wj
+ From the article bobbyp links to: Mr. Fuentes, 26, is a white supremacist, Hitler fan and vocal antisemite. A far-right influencer who hosts a [. . .]
Michael Cain
+ As for LGM.... There is a certain atmosphere there, a way of acting, just as there is here and at every blog I have ever [. . .]
liberal japonicus
+ You didn’t explain what is wrong with taking on Welsh’s bias in this case. I'm not really sure we are talking about the same thing. I'm [. . .]
Donald
+ LJ- You didn’t explain what is wrong with taking on Welsh’s bias in this case. He was opposed to the Canadian government using its power [. . .]
bobbyp

For those of you with a little time on your hands and/or the inclination, I offer this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/10/opinion/trolling-democracy.html?unlocked_article_code=1.VU8.A8K5.ebr2nefdqspV&smid=url-share
Passing political fad, or omen?

russell
+ the lack of visual art and, with a very notable exception, the apparent lack of sites for religious rituals. I'm not sure this is so. [. . .]
liberal japonicus

Yeah, sorry about that.

Pro Bono

"Welch" in sundry comments should be "Welsh", right? As in this blog.

liberal japonicus
+ I would push back a bit on lumping LGM all together. I won't do a deep dive into each poster, but it's not really fair [. . .]
novakant
+ Ok,here's the thing with my reluctance to have a bipartisan kumbayah here: I am unwilling to discuss the merits of bombing people to bits and [. . .]
GftNC

I am just hoping we get to have midterm elections.
You and all of us, Marty.
Or: what Pro Bono said.

Pro Bono
+ I think we could debate the merits of a policy in a civilised way, even if Trump favours it. What, in my recollection, Marty found no [. . .]
russell
+ I was just teaching my son who just discovered music about playing on top of the beat vs. behind, etc. The force is strong with this [. . .]
Marty
+ "Conservative lurkers, c'mon in! Just don't be jerks. We'll try not to be, too" Not a complaint, but in reality this just isn't possible. The [. . .]
bc
+ TP: Thanks, and back at you. russell: a day or two late and therefore considerably out of the pocket so to speak, but I’ve [. . .]
Donald
+ “ bookmarked Ian Welch's blog some years ago, but rarely visit. He is not my kind of lefty. He makes my head hurt.” I fall about [. . .]
liberal japonicus
+ Just to be clear, my point wasn't about using cryptocurrency, it was about the fact that a government has to control transactions for a number [. . .]
wj
+ I don't think it is realistic to expect nations to simply stay with cash money. These days the vast majority of currency transactions are electronic. [. . .]
liberal japonicus
+ I hadn't seen or didn't remember Ian Welch. The information about Hüseyin Doğru (love the diacritics!) is interesting, but I'm working online with a masters [. . .]
bobbyp
+ Donald, I should say I know nothing of Hüseyin Doğru— never heard of him before. Wasn't he Kim Jong Il's caddy when he shot 36 under par [. . .]