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nous
+ Yep, patriarchy. And also, yep, it's not about sex, but rather about status and power and hierarchy within the patriarchal structure. This dynamic is also of [. . .]
cleek
+ >At some point we have to acknowledge that the world is not >divided into good men and monster men >Rather, the world we live in seems [. . .]
GftNC
+ Sorry, it was 3 parts! Definitely do not rescue the original one - it probably also had some links remaining! I want to let this [. . .]
GftNC
+ Part Three: Patriarchy holds both the explanation and the remedy for the Epstein scandals and yet is almost never brought up in Epstein discussions. Instead again and [. . .]
GftNC
+ Part Two: The 90+ men who raped Gisele Pelicot were not billionaires. They were nurses, teachers, firefighters, fathers, grandfathers, councillors, farm workers. We cannot blame money or elite [. . .]
GftNC
+ OK, by complete coincidence this landed in my inbox from someone whose substack I don't subscribe to. It says a lot of important things, most [. . .]
Michael Cain
+ And general lack of basic respect for women as people, regardless of age.When I was 26 or 27, I dropped out of a Bell Labs [. . .]
`wonkie
+ I'm 73. I was a teen in the 1967 to 1971 era. A college student attempted to seduce me when I was about 15. I [. . .]
russell
+ Not a lurker but FWIW I completely co-sign GFTNC's observations about older guys and underage women back in the day. And general lack of [. . .]
nous
+ Animal House is honored in the Library of Congress, the National Film Registry, and the American Film Institute's 100 best comedies. Everyone I knew in [. . .]
+ f, as it seems, all of the regular male participants on ObWi find this a foreign concept, it makes them a rather unusual group. [. . .]
GftNC
+ Tina Brown on Mandelson's arrest, Prince Andrew, the US Epstein situation etc: The Erstwhile Ambassador, the Fallen Prince, and the U.S. Epstein Morass Tina Brown Feb 23, 2026 The [. . .]
GftNC
+ novakant, I'm saying that older men wanted to sleep with young girls (newsflash: very many still do), and if they were anywhere in life which [. . .]
Liberal Japonicus
+ In this regard, Coed Revolution: The Female Student in the Japanese New Left https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv1fcf87c is an interesting read, pointing out how women were often relegated to support [. . .]
novakant
+ GftNC, if you are saying that older men regularly slept with teenagers back then, I literally have no knowledge of that ever happening in the [. . .]
CharlesWT
+ "Several classic pop and rock songs from the 1960s–1980s contain lyrics that reference “jailbait” (a slang term for someone under the legal age of consent) [. . .]
wjca
+ I’m constantly surprised and repulsed by the number of classic rock and pop songs I hear still being played today that are about jailbait (even [. . .]
nous
+ I'm constantly surprised and repulsed by the number of classic rock and pop songs I hear still being played today that are about jailbait (even [. . .]
Hartmut

add "woman" between same and twice (It was there when I posted but then diasppeared)

Hartmut
+ „Wer zweimal mit derselben pennt, gehört schon zum Establishment“ (he, who sleeps with the same twice, is already part of the establishment) was [. . .]
GftNC

Correction: second wave feminists, not first!

GftNC
+ novakant, I don't know how old you are, andI don't know for sure, but I think you might not be a woman. If so, [. . .]
novakant
+ Chomsky being constitutional incapable of admitting he is/was in error. Another common affliction, lol. Especially among 50+ men or so it seems. many or [. . .]
cleek

i like that poem

+ GftNC, certainly it depends on context. But my assumption was based on a lack of context. That is, a standalone remark. My [. . .]
Snarki, child of Loki
+ I wonder if the hangmen after the Nuremberg Trials could also say that they "met some major war criminals, and don't regret it." It all [. . .]
GftNC
+ wj, thank you. I see that I am (at least theoretically) out of step with some of the people here. I say theoretically [. . .]
+ GftNC, if the totality of what Chomsky said was the quote ("I’ve met [all] sorts of people, including major war criminals. I don’t regret having [. . .]
Liberal Japonicus
+ Looking up those links revealed a few more and this one was particularly interesting https://scienceandrevolution.org/blog/2019/3/30/my-response-to-chomskys-extraordinary-accusations-by-chris-knight The most interesting section to me is the discussion of Chomsky working [. . .]
Liberal Japonicus
+ Nous, thanks for the full article. While the Cassandra envy is one reading, I see it as Chomsky being constitutional incapable of admitting he is/was [. . .]
GftNC

wj, if that is the totality of what Chomsky said, what do you take to be the unambiguous meaning (or implication) of it?

nooneithinkisinmytree

Or rather in 2024.

nooneithinkisinmytree

My girlfriend had a poem published in Scientific American last year.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/poem-an-ars-poetica/

Hope everyone here is healthy.

cleek

>It’s like he aspires to be Cassandra because that relieves him of the responsibility of actually being a change-maker.

a common affliction.

nous
+ If any of y'all are interested in the larger context in which Chomsky said that, it's at The Harvard Crimson: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/5/3/epstein-nowak-chomsky-meeting-2015/ Chomsky is saying there that [. . .]
+ On the Chomsky remark you quote, I think it is ambiguous.  I'd say that whether it's ambiguous depends a lot on what's in the (unquoted) [. . .]
GftNC
+ I tend to think that these problems are often defined as sexism or racism, but the underlying issue is the ability to rationalize. lj, I think [. . .]
+ For the Economist, having Megan McArdle work for them is is not just one strike, it is more like striking out the entire side. [. . .]
Michael Cain
+ Care to share names?What's the meme? All of them, Katie.All of the major rating firms -- Fitch, Moody's, S&P, etc -- rated CDOs based [. . .]
Liberal Japonicus
+ Charles, do you really think that Grok is a media rating service? For the Economist, having Megan McArdle work for them is is not just one [. . .]
CharlesWT

Care to share names?

These evaluations have text and tables listing media rating services.

The Economist: Reputation and Bias

Scientific American: Legacy and Modern Controversy

Michael Cain
+ The Economist has stayed the course much better than some other major publications that have drifted from journalism to viewpoint advocacy.I dropped my subscription when [. . .]
cleek
+ intrigued by the idea of someone rating magazines for left/right bias, i found: https://adfontesmedia.com/scientific-american-bias-and-reliability/ it gives SciAm negative (aka left) scores for articles such as "2024 Is [. . .]
Liberal Japonicus

various media rating services

Care to share names?

CharlesWT
+ I put it to you that this just means you agree with the viewpoint they advocate. Perhaps. But The Economist has higher ratings from various media [. . .]
Pro Bono
+ The Economist has stayed the course much better than some other major publications that have drifted from journalism to viewpoint advocacy. I put it to you that [. . .]
Liberal Japonicus
+ Some random thoughts. I don't know all of the gory details about the French cases mentioned here, but we have had all kinds of revelations [. . .]
CharlesWT
+ "They still have a bit of a libertarian lean, but rather less than a couple of decades ago." Decades ago, I subscribed to The Economist when, [. . .]