I am anti-fascist. One implication of that is: I want criminals locked up, not people who the government says are criminals. Lawyers surely understand the distinction. So when bc points me to government sites which lay out accusations of doxxing, I appreciate it -- but I don't take it for granted that I'm getting the whole story there. Since I am personally in no position to "get the whole story", I am content to let courts do it. Back when Gitmo was a hot topic, I pointed out that habeas corpus is not merely a defendant's right, it's also one of mine: if the government, acting in my name, wants to lock somebody up, I want to know the reason why. Anti-anti-fascists may feel differently, of course.
Being anti-fascist does NOT mean I dismiss everything some Acting US Attorney says about any particular case. Maybe the facts ARE exactly what the "official government website" (with its "Democrats have shut down the government" banner) says they are. I get more suspicious when it comes to statistics. Have there been vastly more cases of ICE-doxxing than, say, judge-doxxing? Have more ICE agents than judges been harmed as a result of being doxxed? I don't know what "official" government statistics show, but I have a hunch the present government might fudge them a bit.
Being a layman, I can accept that The Law forbids publishing certain personal information about some categories of federal employees. Maybe that includes IRS clerks, maybe not, but either way I haven't heard about an epidemic of IRS clerks being doxxed. Running afoul of The Law by posting flyers like "This Revenuer lives in your neighborhood" doesn't seem to be worth the trouble for anybody. So maybe the doxxing of "brave" ICE agents is motivated by their high-handed brutality, not their official "duties", as others have pointed out.
BTW, as a layman, I can not claim to know what the Hatch Act has to say about partisan propaganda on "official government websites", but also as a layman I have to say: yeesh!
Being a naturalized citizen, I have to write a whole 'nother wall of text on immigration policy, but for the moment I only have time to ask: is it true or false that you have to be on US soil to ask for asylum?
--TP
2025-10-15 21:16:14
bc: Doxing produced masks, which engender fear and are then criticized as fascist.
I'd like to know more about this "doxing". I do not trust Kristi Noem's statements about it any more than I trust her DHS 70% statistic. Let's hear about a few actual cases.
I am quite prepared to believe that there have been instances of people being publicly identified as ICE "agents", and I can easily believe those people were annoyed and embarrassed. But what else happened?
--TP
2025-10-13 23:04:49
bc: Criticizing a side for “othering” by what seems to be to be “othering” of another sort isn’t a winning proposition.
Criticizing Nazis for "othering" Jews by politely refraining from "othering" Nazis is surely a losing proposition -- if the audience is mainly Nazi supporters. People might support the Nazis for all sorts of reasons other than Jew hatred, you see.
I'm sorry to tell you, bc, that those of my fellow Americans who are indifferent to, never mind approving of, the Gestapo tactics of Dear Leader's brown-shirted (literally!) masked thugs will always be "others" to me. If they choose to shrug off fascism, how would you advise people like me to reason with them?
Whatever your advice might be, I say this much is true: they are more likely to listen to you than to me. We godless America-hating soshulist anit-fascists are automatically suspect. Assuming you are anti-fascist yourself, maybe you should caution them about "othering". Maybe you can point out to them that the fascism is part of a package deal with the tax cuts for billionaires (and whatever else) they voted for. If it turns out that doing that gets you "othered" by them, welcome to the club.
I am anti-fascist. One implication of that is: I want criminals locked up, not people who the government says are criminals. Lawyers surely understand the distinction. So when bc points me to government sites which lay out accusations of doxxing, I appreciate it -- but I don't take it for granted that I'm getting the whole story there. Since I am personally in no position to "get the whole story", I am content to let courts do it. Back when Gitmo was a hot topic, I pointed out that habeas corpus is not merely a defendant's right, it's also one of mine: if the government, acting in my name, wants to lock somebody up, I want to know the reason why. Anti-anti-fascists may feel differently, of course.
Being anti-fascist does NOT mean I dismiss everything some Acting US Attorney says about any particular case. Maybe the facts ARE exactly what the "official government website" (with its "Democrats have shut down the government" banner) says they are. I get more suspicious when it comes to statistics. Have there been vastly more cases of ICE-doxxing than, say, judge-doxxing? Have more ICE agents than judges been harmed as a result of being doxxed? I don't know what "official" government statistics show, but I have a hunch the present government might fudge them a bit.
Being a layman, I can accept that The Law forbids publishing certain personal information about some categories of federal employees. Maybe that includes IRS clerks, maybe not, but either way I haven't heard about an epidemic of IRS clerks being doxxed. Running afoul of The Law by posting flyers like "This Revenuer lives in your neighborhood" doesn't seem to be worth the trouble for anybody. So maybe the doxxing of "brave" ICE agents is motivated by their high-handed brutality, not their official "duties", as others have pointed out.
BTW, as a layman, I can not claim to know what the Hatch Act has to say about partisan propaganda on "official government websites", but also as a layman I have to say: yeesh!
Being a naturalized citizen, I have to write a whole 'nother wall of text on immigration policy, but for the moment I only have time to ask: is it true or false that you have to be on US soil to ask for asylum?
--TP
bc: Doxing produced masks, which engender fear and are then criticized as fascist.
I'd like to know more about this "doxing". I do not trust Kristi Noem's statements about it any more than I trust her DHS 70% statistic. Let's hear about a few actual cases.
I am quite prepared to believe that there have been instances of people being publicly identified as ICE "agents", and I can easily believe those people were annoyed and embarrassed. But what else happened?
--TP
bc: Criticizing a side for “othering” by what seems to be to be “othering” of another sort isn’t a winning proposition.
Criticizing Nazis for "othering" Jews by politely refraining from "othering" Nazis is surely a losing proposition -- if the audience is mainly Nazi supporters. People might support the Nazis for all sorts of reasons other than Jew hatred, you see.
I'm sorry to tell you, bc, that those of my fellow Americans who are indifferent to, never mind approving of, the Gestapo tactics of Dear Leader's brown-shirted (literally!) masked thugs will always be "others" to me. If they choose to shrug off fascism, how would you advise people like me to reason with them?
Whatever your advice might be, I say this much is true: they are more likely to listen to you than to me. We godless America-hating soshulist anit-fascists are automatically suspect. Assuming you are anti-fascist yourself, maybe you should caution them about "othering". Maybe you can point out to them that the fascism is part of a package deal with the tax cuts for billionaires (and whatever else) they voted for. If it turns out that doing that gets you "othered" by them, welcome to the club.
--TP