I've hesitated, as a man, to say anything about this...
I disagree with several things said or quoted on this thread:
of course men want to rape! It’s just most men can’t rape because...
I don't want to rape. Nothing to do with morality, or what I can get away with, or self respect. I just don't want to. I could be wrong, but I think most man are the same.
it’s not about sex...
It's not exclusively about sex. But it's a biological fact that, for a man, rape has to be partly about sex.
It occurs when someone (the rapist) feels the need to demonstrate his power and status.
I don't think that's true of Epstein's associates - those men had widely acknowledged power and status. Nor can it be true in the Pelicot case, where the rapes were largely secret, and the victim was unconscious. __
But I agree with a lot of the rest. It's an ugly fact that, as the Pelicot case shows, not a few men do want to rape. And yes, patriarchal attitudes to women make it much easier for those men to tell themselves that their rapes don't count as rape.
If that's right, the question addressed by this thread is how to stop those men who want to rape, but are not sociopathic, from feeling entitled to do what they want.
I've hesitated, as a man, to say anything about this...
I disagree with several things said or quoted on this thread:
of course men want to rape! It’s just most men can’t rape because...
I don't want to rape. Nothing to do with morality, or what I can get away with, or self respect. I just don't want to. I could be wrong, but I think most man are the same.
it’s not about sex...
It's not exclusively about sex. But it's a biological fact that, for a man, rape has to be partly about sex.
It occurs when someone (the rapist) feels the need to demonstrate his power and status.
I don't think that's true of Epstein's associates - those men had widely acknowledged power and status. Nor can it be true in the Pelicot case, where the rapes were largely secret, and the victim was unconscious.
__
But I agree with a lot of the rest. It's an ugly fact that, as the Pelicot case shows, not a few men do want to rape. And yes, patriarchal attitudes to women make it much easier for those men to tell themselves that their rapes don't count as rape.
If that's right, the question addressed by this thread is how to stop those men who want to rape, but are not sociopathic, from feeling entitled to do what they want.