Rofer points out that one question is who leaked it, and it seems obvious that it is from Rubio's camp, because Rubio wouldn't pee on Witkoff if he were on fire. Other is how it was recorded, which gets into questions of spooks and surveillance. State has their own intelligence service, but the current head of the CIA was in Congress when Rubio was a senator. Maybe I should shout vive le petit Marco!
2 weeks ago
Surely if American voters hated dishonour as much as all that, there would not be a second Trump presidency.
I'm not sure exactly what would be the focus of 'hating dishonour', but I don't think American voters, as a general rule, give a shit about what goes on outside of the borders, unless it is for the purposes of mythologizing, so the 2nd Trump dumpster fire is only marginally related to that.
GftNC
https://therealdeal.com/new-york/2013/05/10/steve-witkoff-revealed-as-friend-of-indicted-russian-mobster/
That's a good point nous, I didn't think of that.
And GftNC, sorry for the late note, but thanks for the pointer to Stewart Lee in The Nerve. His writing is fun, but I prefer the standup a bit more.
At first, I thought the conversation was a joke, but here it is (from Cheryl Rofer at LGM)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-25/witkoff-discusses-ukraine-plans-with-key-putin-aide-transcript?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc2NDEwMTcyMiwiZXhwIjoxNzY0NzA2NTIyLCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJUNkFGR1dLSkg2VkwwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiJGMUM1Mzc1OEY5Qjg0MDZCOUJCNzMyODRDN0RBMEY3QyJ9.R55A7wfpKrimqSTKzT8ij6J3HqjPMIFE84iKN_Bp9Q0&leadSource=uverify%20wall
Rofer points out that one question is who leaked it, and it seems obvious that it is from Rubio's camp, because Rubio wouldn't pee on Witkoff if he were on fire. Other is how it was recorded, which gets into questions of spooks and surveillance. State has their own intelligence service, but the current head of the CIA was in Congress when Rubio was a senator. Maybe I should shout vive le petit Marco!
Surely if American voters hated dishonour as much as all that, there would not be a second Trump presidency.
I'm not sure exactly what would be the focus of 'hating dishonour', but I don't think American voters, as a general rule, give a shit about what goes on outside of the borders, unless it is for the purposes of mythologizing, so the 2nd Trump dumpster fire is only marginally related to that.