I wish I could remember where this observation came from, which was that when you have (as many languages do) 'gender-indexed' speech, the mother, as care-giver, has to be fluent in both, in order to teach male children how to appropriately communicate. This would obviously have a great impact on a lot of other things that one could speculate on, but probably impossible to prove.
I tend to think that all languages have some sort of gender-indexed differences so these effects are going to exist in all cultures, but it is the accretion of cultural behavior/norms rather than something in the chromosones.
It seems like the lit there is suggesting that sexual selection *might* have a role in development of language, but given that the evidence shows that more intelligent mothers have lower infant mortality rates, it could be that it's actually natural selection having an effect that looks like it could be sexual selection - that is, it's not the selection of mates that is the mechanism for the trend, but rather the survival of the offspring that is the driving mechanism. I'd guess it could be kind of hard to tell if it is mate/mate communication or parent/child communication that is the dominant factor. Seems like a bit of a black box and a set of assumptions.
Well, the one who is best able to whisper sweet nothings in a potential mate's ear is likely to have better mating success...
Here are two articles and a book that make the case for sexual selection pressures having an impact on language development. "The article argues for a hybrid model where early language evolved through natural selection for collaboration, followed by sexual selection for displaying superior intelligence, leading to the development of modern, expressive language. It emphasizes sexual selection’s role in driving the "supercharged" nature of human language compared to other primates." The evolution of language by sexual selection "Miller discusses how language may have evolved as a sexually selected trait to display cognitive abilities and intelligence, serving as a courtship tool. This review article explores the idea that verbal creativity and eloquence signal genetic fitness." Sexual selection for indicators of intelligence "The book argues that many human cognitive traits, including language, evolved through sexual selection as displays of intelligence and creativity to attract mates. Miller posits that language’s complexity and expressiveness serve as fitness indicators in mate choice." The Mating Mind: How Sexual Choice Shaped the Evolution of Human Nature
The WH is now lobbying not only for the Nobel Peace prize but also the one for economics for teaching the world trade economics. The 'shooting the messenger' to deal with job numbers should bolster that claim even more.
But why rely on those commie Swedes (and worse: Norwegians) for prizes? The US should come up with their(!) own presti(di)gous awards that a POTUS approved committee could award to the worthy (in particular POTUS). https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-lobbying-nobel-prize-trump-takes-farcical-turn-rcna222492
The BLS has been struggling a lot as of late, most all of it caused by staffing shortages. They've stopped collecting inflation data in a number of places as well and are imputing (modeling) a lot of the data for those measures. This from June, but getting more play at the WSJ in the last few weeks: https://www.npr.org/2025/06/05/nx-s1-5424367/inflation-data-cpi-government-job-shortages
The vandalism of the federal government continues apace. It's not being shrunk and drowned, it's being given the Khashoggi treatment and leaving one bag at a time.
As long as I can remember, when bad jobs numbers come out, the President reacts by talking about how he will act, or how he wants Congress to act, to get the economy back on track. Today, when a bad job reports came out, the Presidential response was to fire the (non-partisan) head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Shoot the Messenger at its finest.
Granddaughter #1 has a birthday this month. Her birthday doodle is done. http://mcain6925.com/obsidian/Charlie-birthday-12.pdf
She's getting the money indirectly. She inherited my narrow palate, which causes all sorts of teeth alignment problems when all the adult molars come in. I'm covering the orthodontics bill to spread her palate now, which has to be done before the upper jaw bones finish fusing.
Granddaughter #1 has a birthday this month. Her birthday doodle is done. http://mcain6925.com/obsidian/Charlie-birthday-12.pdf
She's getting the money indirectly. She inherited my narrow palate, which causes all sorts of teeth alignment problems when all the adult molars come in. I'm covering the orthodontics bill to spread her palate now, which has to be done before the upper jaw bones finish fusing.
So...a professional MIDIator?
I asked for that, didn't I? But yes, although when he was working on it was a few years before MIDI happened. Poking at Google, I see that people are still working to get woodwind attack transients right, now looking at the problem that what the player does with shaping their mouth and throat matters.
My only important personal experience with attack transients was when I was in junior high. The band director convinced me to switch from clarinet to oboe. Too late I learned that the reason he wanted an oboist was so he could include a "Themes From the Nutcracker Suite" piece in the Christmas concert, which had a little four- or eight-bar oboe-all-alone intro to one bit. There are so many things that can go wrong when you attack that first note on an oboe.
I worked with a guy at the Labs whose MS thesis was on numerically simulating the attack transients of woodwind instruments.
So...a professional MIDIator?
Music is fundamentally mathematical, and many of the aesthetic qualities we find beautiful or satisfying (in music and many other arts) can be measured and described in mathematical terms.
When I worked at Bell Labs, the Labs was in the midst of a large hiring surge bringing in lots of people in their mid-20s with shiny new degrees. There was a Bell Labs Club blanket organization whose job was, to be blunt about it, to provide activities that kept those mid-20s people out of trouble. Lots of sub-clubs. Eg, go to a movie sponsored by the Cinema Club in the very nice company auditorium Friday evening rather than going to a local bar and getting into trouble with the equivalent of "townies".
The jazz band was actually multiple bands because of demand. The folk music club was enormous. (Also strange in the sense of a group of people who wrote a set of lyrics, and performed them publicly, with excellent harmonies, set to the tune of Alice's Restaurant and running almost as long, on being hired as a systems engineer at Bell Labs, playing on all of the internal prejudices.)
I worked with a guy at the Labs whose MS thesis was on numerically simulating the attack transients of woodwind instruments.
Music is fundamentally mathematical, and many of the aesthetic qualities we find beautiful or satisfying (in music and many other arts) can be measured and described in mathematical terms.
In my freshman year music tutorial at St. John's College (Santa Fé) we did a lab where we tuned two strings in unison and then changed the speaking length of one of them, listening for the places where they sounded consonant or dissonant and calculating the ratios where those things occurred. Then change the speaking lengths of both and tuned to unison again and repeat the process. Fun lab.
We ended up getting into a discussion about what, exactly, consonance and dissonance sound like, because a few people were taking consonance as meaning "pleasing to my aesthetic taste" and they had a taste for clashing waveforms. Once we all agreed with the literal sense of the words - together-sounding and apart-sounding - the conversation moved on smoothly.
I'm currently reading "Harmonic Experience" by W.A. Mathieu, in which he explores the mathematical nature and structure of musical harmony. Very briefly, he looks at explaining the human experience and phenomenon of tonal music (very broadly construed) in terms of the mathematical relationships between pitches, as manifested in the overtone series.
The exploration is not just theoretical or cerebral, there is a singing and listening practice that goes along with it all, the goal of that being to learn to feel the relationships in your body as physical phenomena. But it's an interesting read even without that.
Music is fundamentally mathematical, and many of the aesthetic qualities we find beautiful or satisfying (in music and many other arts) can be measured and described in mathematical terms. Mostly ratios between different elements in the work, I think.
Humans are pattern-seeking critters.
On “An open thread”
I wish I could remember where this observation came from, which was that when you have (as many languages do) 'gender-indexed' speech, the mother, as care-giver, has to be fluent in both, in order to teach male children how to appropriately communicate. This would obviously have a great impact on a lot of other things that one could speculate on, but probably impossible to prove.
I tend to think that all languages have some sort of gender-indexed differences so these effects are going to exist in all cultures, but it is the accretion of cultural behavior/norms rather than something in the chromosones.
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It seems like the lit there is suggesting that sexual selection *might* have a role in development of language, but given that the evidence shows that more intelligent mothers have lower infant mortality rates, it could be that it's actually natural selection having an effect that looks like it could be sexual selection - that is, it's not the selection of mates that is the mechanism for the trend, but rather the survival of the offspring that is the driving mechanism. I'd guess it could be kind of hard to tell if it is mate/mate communication or parent/child communication that is the dominant factor. Seems like a bit of a black box and a set of assumptions.
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Sexual selection for musical capabilities too.
A process that is ongoing.
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Well, the one who is best able to whisper sweet nothings in a potential mate's ear is likely to have better mating success...
Here are two articles and a book that make the case for sexual selection pressures having an impact on language development.
"The article argues for a hybrid model where early language evolved through natural selection for collaboration, followed by sexual selection for displaying superior intelligence, leading to the development of modern, expressive language. It emphasizes sexual selection’s role in driving the "supercharged" nature of human language compared to other primates."
The evolution of language by sexual selection
"Miller discusses how language may have evolved as a sexually selected trait to display cognitive abilities and intelligence, serving as a courtship tool. This review article explores the idea that verbal creativity and eloquence signal genetic fitness."
Sexual selection for indicators of intelligence
"The book argues that many human cognitive traits, including language, evolved through sexual selection as displays of intelligence and creativity to attract mates. Miller posits that language’s complexity and expressiveness serve as fitness indicators in mate choice."
The Mating Mind: How Sexual Choice Shaped the Evolution of Human Nature
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Care to elaborate on that, Charles?
Most likely something to do with the Chomsky-Westheimer theorem, but you know Charles....such a joker.
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Care to elaborate on that, Charles?
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The development of language likely had a significant sexual selection influence.
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Open thread, so I found this (about and with an extract from Max Bennett's A Brief History of Intelligence) on the origins of human language, its relation to AI and other aspects, interesting. Also, it sent me down a rabbit hole about Kanzi, whom I had completely forgotten:
https://www.ian-leslie.com/p/the-one-weird-trick-that-gave-humans?utm_source=substack&publication_id=54748&post_id=169644176&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=email-share&triggerShare=true&isFreemail=false&r=w2vx&triedRedirect=true
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The WH is now lobbying not only for the Nobel Peace prize but also the one for economics for teaching the world trade economics. The 'shooting the messenger' to deal with job numbers should bolster that claim even more.
But why rely on those commie Swedes (and worse: Norwegians) for prizes? The US should come up with their(!) own presti(di)gous awards that a POTUS approved committee could award to the worthy (in particular POTUS).
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-lobbying-nobel-prize-trump-takes-farcical-turn-rcna222492
"
The BLS has been struggling a lot as of late, most all of it caused by staffing shortages. They've stopped collecting inflation data in a number of places as well and are imputing (modeling) a lot of the data for those measures. This from June, but getting more play at the WSJ in the last few weeks:
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/05/nx-s1-5424367/inflation-data-cpi-government-job-shortages
The vandalism of the federal government continues apace. It's not being shrunk and drowned, it's being given the Khashoggi treatment and leaving one bag at a time.
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The movie Idiocracy's premise is becoming all to real.
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Also, ensures that in the future, reliable statistics and actual facts are harder, or impossible, to come by.
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As long as I can remember, when bad jobs numbers come out, the President reacts by talking about how he will act, or how he wants Congress to act, to get the economy back on track. Today, when a bad job reports came out, the Presidential response was to fire the (non-partisan) head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Shoot the Messenger at its finest.
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LOvely, Micheal. A gift I am sure she will appreciate when she is older.
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Granddaughter #1 has a birthday this month. Her birthday doodle is done.
http://mcain6925.com/obsidian/Charlie-birthday-12.pdf
She's getting the money indirectly. She inherited my narrow palate, which causes all sorts of teeth alignment problems when all the adult molars come in. I'm covering the orthodontics bill to spread her palate now, which has to be done before the upper jaw bones finish fusing.
"
Granddaughter #1 has a birthday this month. Her birthday doodle is done.
http://mcain6925.com/obsidian/Charlie-birthday-12.pdf
She's getting the money indirectly. She inherited my narrow palate, which causes all sorts of teeth alignment problems when all the adult molars come in. I'm covering the orthodontics bill to spread her palate now, which has to be done before the upper jaw bones finish fusing.
On “Everyone is a hero in their own story”
This made me smile:
https://x.com/forresterbird/status/1950592868160090387
https://www.householddivision.org.uk/musicians-coldstream
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So...a professional MIDIator?
I asked for that, didn't I? But yes, although when he was working on it was a few years before MIDI happened. Poking at Google, I see that people are still working to get woodwind attack transients right, now looking at the problem that what the player does with shaping their mouth and throat matters.
My only important personal experience with attack transients was when I was in junior high. The band director convinced me to switch from clarinet to oboe. Too late I learned that the reason he wanted an oboist was so he could include a "Themes From the Nutcracker Suite" piece in the Christmas concert, which had a little four- or eight-bar oboe-all-alone intro to one bit. There are so many things that can go wrong when you attack that first note on an oboe.
"
I worked with a guy at the Labs whose MS thesis was on numerically simulating the attack transients of woodwind instruments.
So...a professional MIDIator?
"
Music is fundamentally mathematical, and many of the aesthetic qualities we find beautiful or satisfying (in music and many other arts) can be measured and described in mathematical terms.
When I worked at Bell Labs, the Labs was in the midst of a large hiring surge bringing in lots of people in their mid-20s with shiny new degrees. There was a Bell Labs Club blanket organization whose job was, to be blunt about it, to provide activities that kept those mid-20s people out of trouble. Lots of sub-clubs. Eg, go to a movie sponsored by the Cinema Club in the very nice company auditorium Friday evening rather than going to a local bar and getting into trouble with the equivalent of "townies".
The jazz band was actually multiple bands because of demand. The folk music club was enormous. (Also strange in the sense of a group of people who wrote a set of lyrics, and performed them publicly, with excellent harmonies, set to the tune of Alice's Restaurant and running almost as long, on being hired as a systems engineer at Bell Labs, playing on all of the internal prejudices.)
I worked with a guy at the Labs whose MS thesis was on numerically simulating the attack transients of woodwind instruments.
"
Music is fundamentally mathematical, and many of the aesthetic qualities we find beautiful or satisfying (in music and many other arts) can be measured and described in mathematical terms.
In my freshman year music tutorial at St. John's College (Santa Fé) we did a lab where we tuned two strings in unison and then changed the speaking length of one of them, listening for the places where they sounded consonant or dissonant and calculating the ratios where those things occurred. Then change the speaking lengths of both and tuned to unison again and repeat the process. Fun lab.
We ended up getting into a discussion about what, exactly, consonance and dissonance sound like, because a few people were taking consonance as meaning "pleasing to my aesthetic taste" and they had a taste for clashing waveforms. Once we all agreed with the literal sense of the words - together-sounding and apart-sounding - the conversation moved on smoothly.
"
I'm currently reading "Harmonic Experience" by W.A. Mathieu, in which he explores the mathematical nature and structure of musical harmony. Very briefly, he looks at explaining the human experience and phenomenon of tonal music (very broadly construed) in terms of the mathematical relationships between pitches, as manifested in the overtone series.
The exploration is not just theoretical or cerebral, there is a singing and listening practice that goes along with it all, the goal of that being to learn to feel the relationships in your body as physical phenomena. But it's an interesting read even without that.
Music is fundamentally mathematical, and many of the aesthetic qualities we find beautiful or satisfying (in music and many other arts) can be measured and described in mathematical terms. Mostly ratios between different elements in the work, I think.
Humans are pattern-seeking critters.
"
Here's one that will pull together two of the recent discussions here: metal, and math.
Analysis of Fibonacci Sequence and Golden Ratio in Musical Compositions
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Well played, Priest!
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A friend suggested Ozzy and Tom from a duet, the first song would be “I Am Irony Man.” I’ll just see myself out…
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